<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post912886385021823977..comments</id><updated>2011-02-04T15:10:16.203Z</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Me, Myself and ISA Blog (MSFirewall.org.uk): Enabling Network Load Balancing (NLB) Multicast Mo...</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/feeds/912886385021823977/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html'/><author><name>Jason Jones</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409402559050650812</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='25' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cX7_SW32U04/TD-kLhJzrYI/AAAAAAAABhk/1Q8nJ9Vzq2E/S220/MvpPhoto.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>12</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-2790309428172168091</id><published>2011-02-04T15:03:01.260Z</published><updated>2011-02-04T15:03:01.260Z</updated><title type='text'>Thanks Jason!</title><summary type='text'>Thanks Jason!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/2790309428172168091'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/2790309428172168091'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1296831781260#c2790309428172168091' title=''/><author><name>Ryan Harp</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08820735456292887249</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-556127710'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-4674657357236817190</id><published>2011-02-04T14:48:50.073Z</published><updated>2011-02-04T14:48:50.073Z</updated><title type='text'>Hi Ryan,

Unless you are using Mutlicast with IGMP...</title><summary type='text'>Hi Ryan,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unless you are using Mutlicast with IGMP, then yes, I believe you will need to define static ARP entries on both routers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This assumes that you have NLB VIPS on both internal and external TMG interfaces...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JJ</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/4674657357236817190'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/4674657357236817190'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1296830930073#c4674657357236817190' title=''/><author><name>Jason Jones</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409402559050650812</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='25' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cX7_SW32U04/TD-kLhJzrYI/AAAAAAAABhk/1Q8nJ9Vzq2E/S220/MvpPhoto.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1638842991'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-6184503859815606421</id><published>2011-02-04T14:04:05.483Z</published><updated>2011-02-04T14:04:05.483Z</updated><title type='text'>Okay so in a configuration where you have 

Intern...</title><summary type='text'>Okay so in a configuration where you have &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Internet &amp;lt;=&amp;gt; External Router &amp;lt;=&amp;gt; TMG 2010 &amp;lt;=&amp;gt; Internal Router &amp;lt;=&amp;gt; Internal Network&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would you have to put the Multicast MAC for the External Network on the External Router and the Multicast MAC for the Internal Network on the Internal Router if they all are set to NLB with Multicast?</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/6184503859815606421'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/6184503859815606421'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1296828245483#c6184503859815606421' title=''/><author><name>Ryan Harp</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08820735456292887249</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-556127710'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-9217449091435377229</id><published>2009-11-06T19:59:06.392Z</published><updated>2009-11-06T19:59:06.392Z</updated><title type='text'>Great tip!</title><summary type='text'>Great tip!</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/9217449091435377229'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/9217449091435377229'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1257537546392#c9217449091435377229' title=''/><author><name>Jason Jones</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409402559050650812</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1638842991'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-2481403020551654568</id><published>2009-11-06T19:35:43.207Z</published><updated>2009-11-06T19:35:43.207Z</updated><title type='text'>To find out the NLB MAC address being used on a sp...</title><summary type='text'>To find out the NLB MAC address being used on a specific network, run the following command:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;wlbs ip2mac $network_name</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/2481403020551654568'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/2481403020551654568'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1257536143207#c2481403020551654568' title=''/><author><name>bshacklett</name><uri>http://id.digital-traffic.net/bshacklett</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/openid16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-320551537'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-4572841265676045853</id><published>2009-10-26T18:04:08.456Z</published><updated>2009-10-26T18:04:08.456Z</updated><title type='text'>&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Robert.

Nothing in the ISA GUI, so same ...</title><summary type='text'>&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Robert.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing in the ISA GUI, so same as for Native NLB.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All VIPs will use the same cluster MAC address.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/4572841265676045853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/4572841265676045853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1256580248456#c4572841265676045853' title=''/><author><name>Jason Jones</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409402559050650812</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1638842991'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-1612054256824012346</id><published>2009-10-26T17:28:43.686Z</published><updated>2009-10-26T17:28:43.686Z</updated><title type='text'>How do you find out the max address of the Mulitca...</title><summary type='text'>How do you find out the max address of the Mulitcast VIP? In MS NLB it is easy, it is on the config screen shown in gray.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/1612054256824012346'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/1612054256824012346'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1256578123686#c1612054256824012346' title=''/><author><name>Robert Guadagnoli</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05628595976660192640</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1599261445'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-7498643686633137072</id><published>2009-03-20T15:15:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-03-20T15:15:00.000Z</updated><title type='text'>Hi Jason,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;thanks for your reply. I was thin...</title><summary type='text'>Hi Jason,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;thanks for your reply. I was thinking about the same thing. Thanks for confirming. I'll give it a try tomorrow, I'm going to convert our ISA unicast array to multicast, so wish me luck :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Regards,&lt;BR/&gt;Enrico</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/7498643686633137072'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/7498643686633137072'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1237562100000#c7498643686633137072' title=''/><author><name>n-rico</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18091017003547067609</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1251910708'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-635487452849710668</id><published>2009-03-20T12:02:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-03-20T12:02:00.001Z</updated><title type='text'>&amp;gt;&amp;gt;n-rico,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think th...</title><summary type='text'>&amp;gt;&amp;gt;n-rico,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think the entries are only needed on the L3 devices that are closest to the NLB enabled interfaces.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;More info provide here: http://www.internetworkpro.org/&lt;BR/&gt;wiki/Configuring_Cisco_to_work&lt;BR/&gt;_with_a_Windows_NLB_Cluster &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This seems imply we are only concerned with the &amp;quot;local router&amp;quot; and talks about the NLB &amp;quot;default </summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/635487452849710668'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/635487452849710668'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1237550520001#c635487452849710668' title=''/><author><name>Jason Jones</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409402559050650812</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1638842991'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-506795964113125298</id><published>2009-03-20T10:45:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-03-20T10:45:00.000Z</updated><title type='text'>Hi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;great blog, thanks!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However I am...</title><summary type='text'>Hi,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;great blog, thanks!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;However I am still not quite certain as to where I should configure the static ARP entries. Are these only needed on the router/default gw that is directly behind/in-front-of the NLB cluster? Or do I also need to configure this on my Blade switches?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Best regards,&lt;BR/&gt;Enrico Klein</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/506795964113125298'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/506795964113125298'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1237545900000#c506795964113125298' title=''/><author><name>n-rico</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18091017003547067609</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1251910708'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-2511944036858604116</id><published>2009-01-04T18:57:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-01-04T18:57:00.000Z</updated><title type='text'>The latest version of the kb938550.wsf script auto...</title><summary type='text'>The latest version of the kb938550.wsf script automatically determines which CSS holds the FSMO Master role.</summary><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/2511944036858604116'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/912886385021823977/comments/default/2511944036858604116'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html?showComment=1231095420000#c2511944036858604116' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk/2008/08/enabling-nlb-multicast-mode-on-isa.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-912886385021823977' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/559969103248710395/posts/default/912886385021823977' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-122187558'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-559969103248710395.post-6768433111241567371</id><published>2008-09-25T14:32:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-25T14:32:00.000+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Very useful blog. 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